From gugodliu@gmail.com Wed Nov 01 03:04:52 2006 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com ([66.249.92.168]) by shale.socialtext.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GfDts-0002kS-Nd for wikiwyg-dev@wikiwyg.net; Wed, 01 Nov 2006 03:04:52 -0800 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id b39so2263504ugd for ; Wed, 01 Nov 2006 03:04:51 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=KgcMb2gmBV9lxf0f2+eK6yOKfT5cxkzOTNABiTN5wkbOaqnCIlPPNKkFfxfL3J1yiS2aN/8cjvzFRArdIjN7AXJ3mJKr3/mFeKFVslhYvcEzEMB3ySBowiQWQQZUd1EpvUiAgBXTvy679AqxZPlGSFl0r095Jb4/cSpwgU64RYU= Received: by 10.78.128.11 with SMTP id a11mr8625766hud; Wed, 01 Nov 2006 03:04:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.131.1 with HTTP; Wed, 1 Nov 2006 03:04:50 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <73aa7c7b0611010304u10a046f6x60d9a42c71772cf1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 19:04:50 +0800 From: "Kang-min Liu" To: "Tian-Jian Barabbas Jiang@Gmail" Subject: Re: [Wikiwyg-dev] Wikimania 2007 Hacking Days call-for-help In-Reply-To: <45453D1F.7000804@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline References: <45453D1F.7000804@gmail.com> X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 04 Nov 2006 12:50:47 -0800 Cc: ingy@cpan.org, wikiwyg-dev@wikiwyg.net, jeremy lu , Liu Kang-min X-BeenThere: wikiwyg-dev@wikiwyg.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: wikiwyg-dev.wikiwyg.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 11:04:53 -0000 PiAgV2lraXd5Zwo+Cj4gIEluZ3kncyBBSkFYIHZlcnNpb24KPiAgRmxhc2ggdmVyc2lvbgoKClRo ZSBvcGVuIHNvdXJjZSBwcm9qZWN0IGlzIGF2YWlsYWJsZSBoZXJlLCBodHRwOi8vd2lraXd5Zy5u ZXQvIGFuZCBoYXZuJ3QKaGF2ZSBhbnkgbWFqb3IgcHJvZ3Jlc3MgZm9yIGEgd2hpbGUuIEFzIG9u ZSBvZiBXaWtpd3lnIGRldmVsb3BlciwKSSdkIHJlYWxseSBsaWtlIHRvIHNlZSBpZiB3ZSBjYW4g cHVzaCBmdXJ0aGVyCnRoaXMgaW50ZWdyYXRpb24uIElmIHdlIGNvdWxkIGhhdmUgYWN0dWFsbHkg ZG9uZSBzb21ldGhpbmcgYmlnIHRoYXQgd291bGQgYmUKY29vbCwgYnV0IEkgdGVuZCB0byB0aGlu ZyB0aGF0IGlmIHdlIGNvdWxkIGhhdmUgbW9yZSBwZW9wbGUgaW52b2x2ZWQgaGVyZSwgdGhhdAp3 b3VsZCBiZSB0b3RhbGx5IGF3ZXNvbWUuCgoKLS0gCuKYmyBDaGVlcnMsCkthbmctbWluIExpdQo= From evan@prodromou.name Mon Nov 27 09:02:53 2006 Received: from mail.cybernaute.com ([205.236.155.96]) by shale.socialtext.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gojsb-0003Nn-3L for wikiwyg-dev@wikiwyg.net; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 09:02:53 -0800 Received: from zhora.1481ruerachel.net ([207.134.56.158]) by mail.cybernaute.com (Merak 7.4.2) with ESMTP id MJ046509 for ; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 12:02:49 -0500 Received: by zhora.1481ruerachel.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 7E33F4746; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 12:02:43 -0500 (EST) From: Evan Prodromou To: wikiwyg-dev@wikiwyg.net Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 12:02:40 -0500 Message-Id: <1164646962.5642.99.camel@zhora> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.1 Subject: [Wikiwyg-dev] Community marketing X-BeenThere: wikiwyg-dev@wikiwyg.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: wikiwyg-dev.wikiwyg.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 17:02:53 -0000 Hi, everyone. My name is Evan Prodromou, I'm a wiki fan and a big enthusiast for wikiwyg. I'm the founder of Wikitravel and I'm on the MediaWiki development team, among other things. I think wikiwyg is a really great product. It is _the_ answer for the WYSIWYG vs. Wikitext problem, and the way that it offloads responsibility for HTML-to-Wikitext conversion from the server to the client is ingenious. The architecture is spot-on; the configurability w/r/t wiki engine and wiki syntax is impressive; and the I think the main problem with wikiwyg is uptake. This library should be ubiquitous, but in the 15 months since its introduction, integration into different wiki engines has been insufficient to get good momentum moving. The more a library like this is exercised on different wiki engines, the more featureful and useful it will be to each. As difficult problems are figured out on one wiki engine, the solution can be ported to other platforms. My goal is to see wikiwyg or wikiwyg-like functionality working in each of the TopTenWikiEngines, either as a plugin or as part of the core distribution. http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?TopTenWikiEngines Here are some steps I think we can take to make this happen: * Keep news up-to-date on the www.wikiwyg.net website. The last big dates on there are from Oct 2005 for a project that launched in Aug 2005; the impression given is that it flared and died. There's been a lot of work on the project since then, and keeping people aware of that will help with public perception. * Do more frequent releases. I think the 6-month schedule is pretty good, but shortening it can help. Also, mentioning the last version number and release date gives people a nice feeling that the project is still active. * Have a single up-to-date wiki that's monitored and uses Wikiwyg. wiki.wikiwyg.net is great, but it's practically impossible for community members to revert to unspammed versions of any of the pages. Having a trac wiki and a Kwiki wiki is confusing, too. If it were up to me, I'd choose to have a SocialText wiki instance supporting Wikiwyg; is there a good reason not to? * Step-by-step HOWTO documentation for implementers. I think this can be developed on the wiki then converted to POD for the distribution. * Solicit implementations from wiki engine developers. I think a lot of Open Source wiki engine developers would like to provide WYSIWYG editing without gutting their current engines. Wikiwyg is a great compromise for these folks. I think there's some salesmanship that can be done on a person-to-person basis. * Magazine articles. A (paper or online) article about integrating wikiwyg into an existing Web application would be a great way to attract attention and get the hacking juices flowing. I really believe that 2007 can be the year of Wikiwyg. I think that widespread implementation of this library can open up wiki editing to a new group of people and really fulfill the promise of the read-write Web. (How's that for a big sell?) -Evan -- Evan Prodromou From evan@prodromou.name Mon Nov 27 09:06:51 2006 Received: from mail.cybernaute.com ([205.236.155.96]) by shale.socialtext.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GojwR-0003PE-3t for wikiwyg-dev@wikiwyg.net; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 09:06:51 -0800 Received: from zhora.1481ruerachel.net ([207.134.56.158]) by mail.cybernaute.com (Merak 7.4.2) with ESMTP id MJ046509 for ; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 12:06:50 -0500 Received: by zhora.1481ruerachel.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 5FF964746; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 12:06:46 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [Wikiwyg-dev] Community marketing From: Evan Prodromou To: wikiwyg-dev@wikiwyg.net In-Reply-To: <1164646962.5642.99.camel@zhora> References: <1164646962.5642.99.camel@zhora> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 12:06:45 -0500 Message-Id: <1164647205.5642.102.camel@zhora> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.1 X-BeenThere: wikiwyg-dev@wikiwyg.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: wikiwyg-dev.wikiwyg.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 17:06:51 -0000 On Mon, 2006-27-11 at 12:02 -0500, Evan Prodromou wrote: > I think wikiwyg is a really great product. It is _the_ answer for the > WYSIWYG vs. Wikitext problem, and the way that it offloads > responsibility for HTML-to-Wikitext conversion from the server to the > client is ingenious. The architecture is spot-on; the configurability > w/r/t wiki engine and wiki syntax is impressive; and the "...sentence at the end of this paragraph is incomplete." B-) -Evan From ingy@ingy.net Mon Nov 27 10:26:39 2006 Received: from xen1.ttul.org ([72.51.24.131]) by shale.socialtext.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GolBf-0006jg-N8 for wikiwyg-dev@wikiwyg.net; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 10:26:39 -0800 Received: by xen1.ttul.org (Postfix, from userid 1003) id 159485375F; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 18:26:39 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 10:26:39 -0800 From: Ingy dot Net To: Evan Prodromou Subject: Re: [Wikiwyg-dev] Community marketing Message-ID: <20061127182639.GA11990@ttul.org> References: <1164646962.5642.99.camel@zhora> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1164646962.5642.99.camel@zhora> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 11:09:48 -0800 Cc: wikiwyg-dev@wikiwyg.net X-BeenThere: wikiwyg-dev@wikiwyg.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: wikiwyg-dev.wikiwyg.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 18:26:40 -0000 Evan, I think your assessment of Wikiwyg is on the money. I'm glad to see that you have looked into Wikiwyg in depth, that you are excited about it, and most of all that you are a Mediawiki developer. I would also like to make 2007 the year that Wikiwyg becomes a solid plugin for the top ten wiki engines. I'll do my part to get the things on your list up to date. Cheers, Ingy On 27/11/06 12:02 -0500, Evan Prodromou wrote: > Hi, everyone. My name is Evan Prodromou, I'm a wiki fan and a big > enthusiast for wikiwyg. I'm the founder of Wikitravel and I'm on the > MediaWiki development team, among other things. > > I think wikiwyg is a really great product. It is _the_ answer for the > WYSIWYG vs. Wikitext problem, and the way that it offloads > responsibility for HTML-to-Wikitext conversion from the server to the > client is ingenious. The architecture is spot-on; the configurability > w/r/t wiki engine and wiki syntax is impressive; and the > > I think the main problem with wikiwyg is uptake. This library should be > ubiquitous, but in the 15 months since its introduction, integration > into different wiki engines has been insufficient to get good momentum > moving. > > The more a library like this is exercised on different wiki engines, the > more featureful and useful it will be to each. As difficult problems are > figured out on one wiki engine, the solution can be ported to other > platforms. > > My goal is to see wikiwyg or wikiwyg-like functionality working in each > of the TopTenWikiEngines, either as a plugin or as part of the core > distribution. > > http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?TopTenWikiEngines > > Here are some steps I think we can take to make this happen: > > * Keep news up-to-date on the www.wikiwyg.net website. The last > big dates on there are from Oct 2005 for a project that launched > in Aug 2005; the impression given is that it flared and died. > There's been a lot of work on the project since then, and > keeping people aware of that will help with public perception. > * Do more frequent releases. I think the 6-month schedule is > pretty good, but shortening it can help. Also, mentioning the > last version number and release date gives people a nice feeling > that the project is still active. > * Have a single up-to-date wiki that's monitored and uses Wikiwyg. > wiki.wikiwyg.net is great, but it's practically impossible for > community members to revert to unspammed versions of any of the > pages. Having a trac wiki and a Kwiki wiki is confusing, too. If > it were up to me, I'd choose to have a SocialText wiki instance > supporting Wikiwyg; is there a good reason not to? > * Step-by-step HOWTO documentation for implementers. I think this > can be developed on the wiki then converted to POD for the > distribution. > * Solicit implementations from wiki engine developers. I think a > lot of Open Source wiki engine developers would like to provide > WYSIWYG editing without gutting their current engines. Wikiwyg > is a great compromise for these folks. I think there's some > salesmanship that can be done on a person-to-person basis. > * Magazine articles. A (paper or online) article about integrating > wikiwyg into an existing Web application would be a great way to > attract attention and get the hacking juices flowing. > > I really believe that 2007 can be the year of Wikiwyg. I think that > widespread implementation of this library can open up wiki editing to a > new group of people and really fulfill the promise of the read-write > Web. (How's that for a big sell?) > > -Evan > > -- > Evan Prodromou > > _______________________________________________ > Wikiwyg-dev mailing list > Wikiwyg-dev@wikiwyg.net > http://wikiwyg.net/mailman/listinfo/wikiwyg-dev From oliver@samera.com.py Mon Nov 27 11:58:23 2006 Received: from mail.samera.com.py ([200.85.40.10]) by shale.socialtext.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GomcQ-0007zN-Uq for wikiwyg-dev@wikiwyg.net; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 11:58:23 -0800 Received: from [192.168.1.1] (sojourner.samera.com [192.168.1.1]) by mail.samera.com.py (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kARJvdHJ002705 for ; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 16:57:39 -0300 Message-ID: <456B4336.8060003@samera.com.py> Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 16:57:42 -0300 From: "Oliver Schulze L." User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: wikiwyg-dev@wikiwyg.net Subject: Re: [Wikiwyg-dev] Community marketing References: <1164646962.5642.99.camel@zhora> In-Reply-To: <1164646962.5642.99.camel@zhora> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: Samera.com.py - MIMEdefang.org 2.53 - ClamAV.net 0.86.1 - SpamAssassin.org 3.04 X-BeenThere: wikiwyg-dev@wikiwyg.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: wikiwyg-dev.wikiwyg.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 19:58:23 -0000 Evan Prodromou wrote: > My goal is to see wikiwyg or wikiwyg-like functionality working in each > of the TopTenWikiEngines, either as a plugin or as part of the core > distribution. > > http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?TopTenWikiEngines > Being in the TopTen wikis is great, but that top 10 list is really outdated. Just take a look at: http://freshmeat.net/browse/1098/ and http://www.wikimatrix.org/ I'm really looking forward to have wikiwyg in dokuwiki. The only thing I found a little not user-friendly for normal people is to have to double-click to edit some text. It would be nice to have an "Edit this page" and "Save changes" button in order to edit a wiki. Thanks Oliver -- Oliver Schulze L. | Get my e-mail after a captcha in: Asuncion - Paraguay | http://tinymailto.com/oliver From evan@prodromou.name Mon Nov 27 12:35:03 2006 Received: from mail.cybernaute.com ([205.236.155.96]) by shale.socialtext.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GonBv-00084X-Mn for wikiwyg-dev@wikiwyg.net; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 12:35:03 -0800 Received: from zhora.1481ruerachel.net ([207.134.56.158]) by mail.cybernaute.com (Merak 7.4.2) with ESMTP id MJ046509 for ; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 15:35:03 -0500 Received: by zhora.1481ruerachel.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id F29C84746; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 15:35:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [Wikiwyg-dev] Community marketing From: Evan Prodromou To: wikiwyg-dev In-Reply-To: <456B4336.8060003@samera.com.py> References: <1164646962.5642.99.camel@zhora> <456B4336.8060003@samera.com.py> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 20:35:02 +0000 Message-Id: <1164659702.8180.18.camel@zhora> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.1 X-BeenThere: wikiwyg-dev@wikiwyg.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: wikiwyg-dev.wikiwyg.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 20:35:03 -0000 On Mon, 2006-27-11 at 16:57 -0300, Oliver Schulze L. wrote: > > My goal is to see wikiwyg or wikiwyg-like functionality working in each > > of the TopTenWikiEngines, either as a plugin or as part of the core > > distribution. > Being in the TopTen wikis is great, but that top 10 list is really outdated. Eh. Maybe we should make a list of target wiki engines for wikiwyg? > I'm really looking forward to have wikiwyg in dokuwiki. Is that really in the works? or just something you want to happen? > The only thing I found a little not user-friendly for normal people > is to have to double-click to edit some text. > It would be nice to have an "Edit this page" and "Save changes" button > in order to edit a wiki. I'm not sure I understand. The double-click-to-edit thing isn't required for Wikiwyg, and some engines support editing without it. It's more up to the engine than to the library. -Evan -- Evan Prodromou From oliver@samera.com.py Mon Nov 27 12:40:54 2006 Received: from mail.samera.com.py ([200.85.40.10]) by shale.socialtext.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GonHZ-00085s-TI for wikiwyg-dev@wikiwyg.net; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 12:40:54 -0800 Received: from [192.168.1.1] (sojourner.samera.com [192.168.1.1]) by mail.samera.com.py (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kARKeI1H000457 for ; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 17:40:19 -0300 Message-ID: <456B4D35.1040102@samera.com.py> Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 17:40:21 -0300 From: "Oliver Schulze L." User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: wikiwyg-dev Subject: Re: [Wikiwyg-dev] Community marketing References: <1164646962.5642.99.camel@zhora> <456B4336.8060003@samera.com.py> <1164659702.8180.18.camel@zhora> In-Reply-To: <1164659702.8180.18.camel@zhora> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: Samera.com.py - MIMEdefang.org 2.53 - ClamAV.net 0.86.1 - SpamAssassin.org 3.04 X-BeenThere: wikiwyg-dev@wikiwyg.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: wikiwyg-dev.wikiwyg.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 20:40:54 -0000 Hi Evan, Evan Prodromou wrote: > Eh. Maybe we should make a list of target wiki engines for wikiwyg? > Thats a great Idea. I vote for dokuwiki :) > >> I'm really looking forward to have wikiwyg in dokuwiki. >> > > Is that really in the works? or just something you want to happen? > > I tried once, but have no success because of the missing "Edit Page" "Save page" features, also, I could not find the time to debug it deeper. If you search in the dokuwiki wiki, there is a lot of interest/discussion of wikiwyg for dokuwiki, its a pending issue :( > > I'm not sure I understand. The double-click-to-edit thing isn't required > for Wikiwyg, and some engines support editing without it. It's more up > to the engine than to the library. > Ahh ok, my fault, I don't knew that info. Thanks Oliver -- Oliver Schulze L. | Get my e-mail after a captcha in: Asuncion - Paraguay | http://tinymailto.com/oliver From RAMILLER@stthomas.edu Mon Nov 27 12:51:11 2006 Received: from mm.stthomas.edu ([140.209.3.222]) by shale.socialtext.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GonRX-00087z-NT for wikiwyg-dev@wikiwyg.net; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 12:51:11 -0800 Received: from ust-gateway4.stthomas.edu (Not Verified[140.209.3.48]) by mm.stthomas.edu with MailMarshal (v6, 1, 6, 1172) id ; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 14:51:08 -0600 Received: by exchange.stthomas.edu with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 14:45:46 -0600 Message-ID: From: "Miller, Reid A." To: wikiwyg-dev@wikiwyg.net Subject: RE: [Wikiwyg-dev] Community marketing Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 14:51:00 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: wikiwyg-dev@wikiwyg.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: wikiwyg-dev.wikiwyg.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 20:51:11 -0000 Wikiwyg-dev, In regard to Evan's earlier message about points on focusing this marketing (public face). Personally, I would prefer documentation to get started and have the one central gathering point be in Trac. That way development and documentation for the project can be under one umbrella/section. I am willing to help with documentation, but am sometimes uncertain where to put it. > -----Original Message----- > From: Evan Prodromou [mailto:evan@prodromou.name] > Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 2:35 PM > To: wikiwyg-dev > Subject: Re: [Wikiwyg-dev] Community marketing > > On Mon, 2006-27-11 at 16:57 -0300, Oliver Schulze L. wrote: > > > > My goal is to see wikiwyg or wikiwyg-like functionality working in > each > > > of the TopTenWikiEngines, either as a plugin or as part of the core > > > distribution. > > > Being in the TopTen wikis is great, but that top 10 list is really > outdated. > > Eh. Maybe we should make a list of target wiki engines for wikiwyg? > I think this has been started in the Trac section at http://trac.wikiwyg.net/trac under "Integration Projects". I haven't been watching this project long enough to know for sure that this is the official list, though :) > > I'm really looking forward to have wikiwyg in dokuwiki. > > Is that really in the works? or just something you want to happen? > > > The only thing I found a little not user-friendly for normal people > > is to have to double-click to edit some text. > > It would be nice to have an "Edit this page" and "Save changes" button > > in order to edit a wiki. > > I'm not sure I understand. The double-click-to-edit thing isn't required > for Wikiwyg, and some engines support editing without it. It's more up > to the engine than to the library. > > -Evan > > -- > Evan Prodromou > > _______________________________________________ > Wikiwyg-dev mailing list > Wikiwyg-dev@wikiwyg.net > http://wikiwyg.net/mailman/listinfo/wikiwyg-dev Cheers! --Reid Miller (oreo_masta) From joey@kitenet.net Mon Nov 27 13:57:52 2006 Received: from wren.kitenet.net ([80.68.85.49] helo=kitenet.net) by shale.socialtext.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GooU4-0008Dy-J7 for wikiwyg-dev@wikiwyg.net; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 13:57:52 -0800 Received: from kodama.kitenet.net (66-191-237-118.dhcp.kgpt.tn.charter.com [66.191.237.118]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Joey Hess", Issuer "Joey Hess" (verified OK)) by kitenet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29127E81AD; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 16:57:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by kodama.kitenet.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 0C05F5D8599; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 16:57:46 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 16:57:46 -0500 From: Joey Hess To: "Oliver Schulze L." Message-ID: <20061127215746.GA5419@kitenet.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="LQksG6bCIzRHxTLp" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 14:06:02 -0800 Cc: wikiwyg-dev@wikiwyg.net Subject: [Wikiwyg-dev] Re: Using wikiwyg in a textarea X-BeenThere: wikiwyg-dev@wikiwyg.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: joey@kitenet.net List-Id: wikiwyg-dev.wikiwyg.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 21:57:52 -0000 --LQksG6bCIzRHxTLp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oliver Schulze this July wrote: > My question is, can I use wikiwyg as a replacement of a textarea? >=20 > I know that wikiwyg converts a div into a textarea a triple-click, > but what I need is to only convert a textarea into wikiwyg and > later having the edited text sended in wiki-format in a normal > post or get variable. > Similar as what FCKEditor does. I'm investiagting using wikiwyg in ikiwiki, and I have the same question. Did you or anyone ever figure out a way to use a textarea with wikiwyg? AUIU, wikiwyg parses the html in the div and tries to work back to the original wikitext. For my wiki, this just can't work. For example, there's a directive that allows including the content of another page into the page, and there's no way to work back from the html to get that directive. Using a textarea that contains the actual source to the page being edited, and feeding that source into wikiwyg would avoid this problem, although it loses the nice double-click to edit ability. --=20 see shy jo --LQksG6bCIzRHxTLp Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFa19ad8HHehbQuO8RAmULAJ431NiMCIXqwOErXT2NwvU5qCKwPgCgtH9a 5IYgbgH/XWF4T8G3TRAp4nA= =u7k5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --LQksG6bCIzRHxTLp-- From ingy@ingy.net Mon Nov 27 14:01:13 2006 Received: from xen1.ttul.org ([72.51.24.131]) by shale.socialtext.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GooXJ-0008Fp-7D for wikiwyg-dev@wikiwyg.net; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 14:01:13 -0800 Received: by xen1.ttul.org (Postfix, from userid 1003) id A3BEB53700; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 22:01:11 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 14:01:11 -0800 From: Ingy dot Net To: wikiwyg-dev@wikiwyg.net Message-ID: <20061127220111.GD11990@ttul.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 14:06:02 -0800 Subject: [Wikiwyg-dev] Whence Wikiwyg's Wiki X-BeenThere: wikiwyg-dev@wikiwyg.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: wikiwyg-dev.wikiwyg.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 22:01:13 -0000 Hi all, Based on concerns voiced here, I am trying to decide where best to put the wiki pages related to Wikiwyg. == Kwiki In the past we had http://wiki.wikiwyg.net pointing at a Kwiki instance running on wikiwyg.net. This was a bad idea because: * The Kwiki/Wikiwyg integration was out of date. * The site was overrun by spammers. == Trac Currently we use http://trac.wikiwyg.net/trac/ for managing the Wikiwyg project. We use Trac for two things: 1 Managing tickets/milestones 2 As a developer's wiki The trac is not overrun with spam because you need to login to edit. This means it isn't quite as open, but then again I'll give edit access to anyone who asks. Currently our Trac is not running the Trac/Wikiwyg integration. This is mainly because I haven't taken the time to test it out and install it. == Socialtext Also note the the Socialtext/Wikiwyg integration is currently by far the best and most polished example of Wikiwyg. (Since it is a commercial product and drives most Wikiwyg development.) Today I changed http://wiki.wikiwyg.net to redirect to http://www.socialtext.net/stoss/?wikiwyg which is a Wikiwyg page on a Socialtext wiki. This wiki is dedicated to all of the Socialtext sponsored open source projects. This means that the Wikiwyg project does not have its own wiki, but is shared with other projects. Wikiwyg pages can be grouped by tagging them with "Wikiwyg" though. The Socialtext wiki will also not get spammed since you need to login to edit. ---- Before we commit to start documenting more, I want to check with the mailing list to see where you think it makes most sense to put our various Wikiwyg information. It's not too late to migrate information from one spot to another. It's also not illegal to put different information in different places. So what do y'all think? Should we put stuff in the Trac, the Socialtext wiki, a Kwiki, a combination of those, somewhere else? Cheers, Ingy dot Net From ingy@ingy.net Mon Nov 27 14:38:56 2006 Received: from xen1.ttul.org ([72.51.24.131]) by shale.socialtext.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gop7n-0008Qa-V1 for wikiwyg-dev@wikiwyg.net; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 14:38:56 -0800 Received: by xen1.ttul.org (Postfix, from userid 1003) id 2455853701; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 22:38:54 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 14:38:54 -0800 From: Ingy dot Net To: Joey Hess Subject: Re: [Wikiwyg-dev] Re: Using wikiwyg in a textarea Message-ID: <20061127223853.GA12567@ttul.org> References: <20061127215746.GA5419@kitenet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20061127215746.GA5419@kitenet.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 14:39:07 -0800 Cc: wikiwyg-dev@wikiwyg.net X-BeenThere: wikiwyg-dev@wikiwyg.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: wikiwyg-dev.wikiwyg.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 22:38:56 -0000 On 27/11/06 16:57 -0500, Joey Hess wrote: > Oliver Schulze this July wrote: > > My question is, can I use wikiwyg as a replacement of a textarea? > > > > I know that wikiwyg converts a div into a textarea a triple-click, > > but what I need is to only convert a textarea into wikiwyg and > > later having the edited text sended in wiki-format in a normal > > post or get variable. > > Similar as what FCKEditor does. > > I'm investiagting using wikiwyg in ikiwiki, and I have the same question. > Did you or anyone ever figure out a way to use a textarea with wikiwyg? This is very doable. Wikiwyg can start with wikitext as source rather than html. Wikiwyg can also be configured to just do Wikitext Mode, if you don't want WYSIWYG. It can also be configured to send wikitext straight back to the server. > AUIU, wikiwyg parses the html in the div and tries to work back to the > original wikitext. For my wiki, this just can't work. For example, there's > a directive that allows including the content of another page into the page, > and there's no way to work back from the html to get that directive. That's not true. Wikiwyg makes provisions for translating these sorts of things back and forth. The rub is that you can't edit them in Wysiwyg mode, but they roundtrip fine. Socialtext and Kwiki both have lots of these situations. The trick is that you format the original wikitext in an html comment surrounded by a SPAN. We call these types of markup "opaque". In an upcoming version of Wikiwyg we've figured out how to edit these types of fields in WYSIWYG mode as well! The call them Wikiwyg Widgets. There is currently a working prototype in Socialtext development, and it will be rolled into Kwiki (and thus core Wikiwyg) this week if possible. I know that Sven of the TWiki/Wikiwyg development project desperately wants this feature. Cheers, Ingy From RAMILLER@stthomas.edu Mon Nov 27 15:31:20 2006 Received: from mm.stthomas.edu ([140.209.3.222]) by shale.socialtext.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GopwV-0000AH-VP for wikiwyg-dev@wikiwyg.net; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 15:31:20 -0800 Received: from ust-gateway4.stthomas.edu (Not Verified[140.209.3.48]) by mm.stthomas.edu with MailMarshal (v6, 1, 6, 1172) id ; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 17:31:19 -0600 Received: by exchange.stthomas.edu with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 17:25:58 -0600 Message-ID: <200611271735.52189.ramiller@stthomas.edu> From: "Miller, Reid A." To: wikiwyg-dev@wikiwyg.net Subject: Re: [Wikiwyg-dev] Whence Wikiwyg's Wiki Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 17:35:52 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-BeenThere: wikiwyg-dev@wikiwyg.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: wikiwyg-dev.wikiwyg.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 23:31:20 -0000 Wikiwyg-dev list, Great! > Before we commit to start documenting more, I want to check with the > mailing list to see where you think it makes most sense to put our > various Wikiwyg information. It's not too late to migrate information > from one spot to another. It's also not illegal to put different > information in different places. My two cents would be to use the Socialtext space as an area for Socialtext-specific notes. The Trac area of wikiwyg.net would be a good place for all development documentation to go, since that's where development tickets and milestones are. Also, it would be a good place for integration documentation to go, since the question of integration is a development question at this point in time :) Speaking of Trac milestones, do we also want to discuss them on the mail list? Or some of the lead developers could chart things out. I think it'd be a good idea to redefine and set up some new Milestones for the project in Trac. No deadlines, just new Milestones. Clear milestones also lead to a clear place to report new bugs/requests. > > So what do y'all think? Should we put stuff in the Trac, the Socialtext > wiki, a Kwiki, a combination of those, somewhere else? > > Cheers, Ingy dot Net > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikiwyg-dev mailing list > Wikiwyg-dev@wikiwyg.net > http://wikiwyg.net/mailman/listinfo/wikiwyg-dev --Reid Miller (oreo_masta) From goobox@gmail.com Mon Nov 27 15:44:12 2006 Received: from hu-out-0506.google.com ([72.14.214.227]) by shale.socialtext.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Goq8y-0000GE-Lw for wikiwyg-dev@wikiwyg.net; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 15:44:12 -0800 Received: by hu-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 38so2748557huc for ; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 15:44:08 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=OOm+bd4t+klYs+tTYUR9kt4LIsUxYYQMPwUY4NcmMPM6MbnXT6MTgi1fLKSGIWT4HQEmn2kcspvBah/JRBXYOgQGFB7mrSrPWR+zloaKR+bkvMgAtkibKfd/0Dy0F/JrGV9T0CqGqGrd7nSfkWUNy5opQLjGBVI0L0THYGRwyNk= Received: by 10.78.157.8 with SMTP id f8mr209298hue.1164671047729; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 15:44:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.106.2 with HTTP; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 15:44:07 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 15:44:07 -0800 From: "Ross Mayfield" Sender: goobox@gmail.com To: wikiwyg-dev@wikiwyg.net Subject: Re: [Wikiwyg-dev] Whence Wikiwyg's Wiki In-Reply-To: <200611271735.52189.ramiller@stthomas.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200611271735.52189.ramiller@stthomas.edu> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 72375c06a0db09b9 X-BeenThere: wikiwyg-dev@wikiwyg.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: wikiwyg-dev.wikiwyg.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 23:44:12 -0000 Hey Wyggies, > So what do y'all think? Should we put stuff in the Trac, the Socialtext > wiki, a Kwiki, a combination of those, somewhere else? The main idea for hosting Wikiwyg's wiki alongside other Socialtext open source projects isn't just that Socialtext is the primary contributor to the project. There is value to the shared namespace and attention. For example, Socialtext Open will attract javascript developers that could contribute to Wikiwyg, wikiCalc is ripe for localization that could bring others to the fold, there may be synergies (ugh) with the WikiConverter and more projects are underway. We also want a place where a potential developer can have a good initial user experience for Wikiwyg and see the visible pulse of a community. Other Socialtext open source projects use Sourceforge for lists, tracking and milestones. This is a more liquid market for attention for Wikiwyg that would have better long term benefits. But I think Trac may be deserved of an exception in this case. Interested in your take. Socialtext has been a good citizen and our commercial open source business model keeps us in check. Part of that check is giving feedback on what infrastructure is best for this community and I'm all ears. Ross ross.mayfield@socialtext.com From joey@kitenet.net Mon Nov 27 15:37:48 2006 Received: from wren.kitenet.net ([80.68.85.49] helo=kitenet.net) by shale.socialtext.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Goq2m-0000Dc-O0 for wikiwyg-dev@wikiwyg.net; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 15:37:48 -0800 Received: from kodama.kitenet.net (66-191-237-118.dhcp.kgpt.tn.charter.com [66.191.237.118]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Joey Hess", Issuer "Joey Hess" (verified OK)) by kitenet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37B0EE8849 for ; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 18:37:45 -0500 (EST) Received: by kodama.kitenet.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 7DE2D5D8599; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 18:37:42 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 18:37:42 -0500 From: Joey Hess To: wikiwyg-dev@wikiwyg.net Subject: Re: [Wikiwyg-dev] Re: Using wikiwyg in a textarea Message-ID: <20061127233742.GA24827@kitenet.net> References: <20061127215746.GA5419@kitenet.net> <20061127223853.GA12567@ttul.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ew6BAiZeqk4r7MaW" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20061127223853.GA12567@ttul.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 16:58:32 -0800 X-BeenThere: wikiwyg-dev@wikiwyg.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: joey@kitenet.net List-Id: wikiwyg-dev.wikiwyg.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 23:37:48 -0000 --ew6BAiZeqk4r7MaW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ingy dot Net wrote: > This is very doable. Wikiwyg can start with wikitext as source rather > than html. Wikiwyg can also be configured to just do Wikitext Mode, if > you don't want WYSIWYG. It can also be configured to send wikitext > straight back to the server. Ok, are there any examples of doing this? I'm not much of a javascript programmer. > That's not true. Wikiwyg makes provisions for translating these sorts of > things back and forth. The rub is that you can't edit them in Wysiwyg mod= e, > but they roundtrip fine. Socialtext and Kwiki both have lots of these > situations. >=20 > The trick is that you format the original wikitext in an html comment > surrounded by a SPAN. We call these types of markup "opaque". It's not legal to nest a div inside a span, and I use divs for such inlined pages, and other elements that won't nest in a span for other stuff. But maybe you could use particular classes of divs for opaque markup as well. Another potential problem for ikiwiki is that markdown allows users to include raw html in wiki pages for things that can't be done by markdown itself. Tables are one such thing. I'm guessing that Wikiwyg probably escapes any html elements in the source wikitext? --=20 see shy jo --ew6BAiZeqk4r7MaW Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFa3bGd8HHehbQuO8RAp/NAJ9G6YRtfq6qo+bD3e5zK0NEV5L3JwCfWoC0 80tyYt7SOF0lYqS6OKooWTQ= =/K/t -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ew6BAiZeqk4r7MaW-- From joey@kitenet.net Mon Nov 27 15:40:37 2006 Received: from wren.kitenet.net ([80.68.85.49] helo=kitenet.net) by shale.socialtext.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Goq5V-0000F2-Ba for wikiwyg-dev@wikiwyg.net; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 15:40:37 -0800 Received: from kodama.kitenet.net (66-191-237-118.dhcp.kgpt.tn.charter.com [66.191.237.118]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Joey Hess", Issuer "Joey Hess" (verified OK)) by kitenet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C933E8839 for ; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 18:40:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by kodama.kitenet.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 007C85D8599; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 18:40:32 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 18:40:32 -0500 From: Joey Hess To: wikiwyg-dev@wikiwyg.net Subject: Re: [Wikiwyg-dev] Re: Using wikiwyg in a textarea Message-ID: <20061127234032.GB24827@kitenet.net> References: <20061127215746.GA5419@kitenet.net> <20061127223853.GA12567@ttul.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="zx4FCpZtqtKETZ7O" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20061127223853.GA12567@ttul.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 16:58:32 -0800 X-BeenThere: wikiwyg-dev@wikiwyg.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: joey@kitenet.net List-Id: wikiwyg-dev.wikiwyg.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 23:40:37 -0000 --zx4FCpZtqtKETZ7O Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ingy dot Net wrote: > The trick is that you format the original wikitext in an html comment > surrounded by a SPAN. We call these types of markup "opaque". Reading this again, I misunderstood what you were doing. That would probably work for my wiki, but I'd still prefer to go the less invasive textarea route if possible. My other comments/questions still apply, thanks.. --=20 see shy jo --zx4FCpZtqtKETZ7O Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFa3dwd8HHehbQuO8RAqEzAKDQZtJvUHHXVX5VizB+IwscSCXWgQCfaNyt 4LWCBI3DGr0+cVMmlrFbLIA= =rrrt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --zx4FCpZtqtKETZ7O-- From ingy@ingy.net Mon Nov 27 17:14:25 2006 Received: from xen1.ttul.org ([72.51.24.131]) by shale.socialtext.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GorYH-0000aN-6T for wikiwyg-dev@wikiwyg.net; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 17:14:25 -0800 Received: by xen1.ttul.org (Postfix, from userid 1003) id 095FE536DB; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 01:14:24 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 17:14:24 -0800 From: Ingy dot Net To: Joey Hess Subject: Re: [Wikiwyg-dev] Re: Using wikiwyg in a textarea Message-ID: <20061128011424.GA12849@ttul.org> References: <20061127215746.GA5419@kitenet.net> <20061127223853.GA12567@ttul.org> <20061127233742.GA24827@kitenet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20061127233742.GA24827@kitenet.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 17:15:38 -0800 Cc: wikiwyg-dev@wikiwyg.net X-BeenThere: wikiwyg-dev@wikiwyg.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: wikiwyg-dev.wikiwyg.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 01:14:25 -0000 On 27/11/06 18:37 -0500, Joey Hess wrote: > Ingy dot Net wrote: > > This is very doable. Wikiwyg can start with wikitext as source rather > > than html. Wikiwyg can also be configured to just do Wikitext Mode, if > > you don't want WYSIWYG. It can also be configured to send wikitext > > straight back to the server. > > Ok, are there any examples of doing this? I'm not much of a javascript > programmer. Socialtext wiki does this for Safari. We make Safari kind of our backdoor browser that does straight wikitext. Then again, Wikiwyg doesn't support WYSIWYG for Safari, because in turn Safari has pathetic rich text support. So this is one place to look, although you really are going to need know JavaScript (or know someone who does) to get very far. Maybe we can help you get going. Drop by on irc and we'll chat. > > That's not true. Wikiwyg makes provisions for translating these sorts of > > things back and forth. The rub is that you can't edit them in Wysiwyg mode, > > but they roundtrip fine. Socialtext and Kwiki both have lots of these > > situations. > > > > The trick is that you format the original wikitext in an html comment > > surrounded by a SPAN. We call these types of markup "opaque". > > It's not legal to nest a div inside a span, and I use divs for such > inlined pages, and other elements that won't nest in a span for other > stuff. But maybe you could use particular classes of divs for opaque > markup as well. Yes. (You would use a particular class of div in that case) > Another potential problem for ikiwiki is that markdown allows users to > include raw html in wiki pages for things that can't be done by markdown > itself. Tables are one such thing. I'm guessing that Wikiwyg probably > escapes any html elements in the source wikitext? Socialtext also allows raw html, which is handled as described above. Cheers, Ingy From SvenDowideit@home.org.au Tue Nov 28 02:29:19 2006 Received: from customer-domains.icp-qv1-irony11.iinet.net.au ([203.59.1.151]) by shale.socialtext.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gp0DD-0001Sk-HE for wikiwyg-dev@wikiwyg.net; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 02:29:16 -0800 Received: from 119.188.62.81.cust.bluewin.ch (HELO [10.10.10.45]) ([81.62.188.119]) by customer-domains.icp-qv1-irony11.iinet.net.au with ESMTP; 28 Nov 2006 18:28:35 +0800 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAHaea0VRPrx3VWdsb2JhbAANjFkBKw X-IronPort-AV: i="4.09,467,1157299200"; d="scan'208"; a="58536949:sNHT5203199970" In-Reply-To: <20061127223853.GA12567@ttul.org> References: <20061127215746.GA5419@kitenet.net> <20061127223853.GA12567@ttul.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sven Dowideit Subject: Re: [Wikiwyg-dev] Re: Using wikiwyg in a textarea Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 22:15:11 +1100 To: Ingy dot Net X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Cc: wikiwyg-dev@wikiwyg.net, Joey Hess X-BeenThere: wikiwyg-dev@wikiwyg.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: wikiwyg-dev.wikiwyg.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 10:29:24 -0000 On 28/11/2006, at 9:38 AM, Ingy dot Net wrote: > > I know that Sven of the TWiki/Wikiwyg development project desperately > wants this feature. > Dammit! I sure do. While WikiRing are pursuing lighter weight solutions to inline wizard editing, I really do want to showcase wikiwyg as a viable alternative to the even more monsterous kupu etc. for now, see http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Plugins/WikiwygContrib for the wikiwyg enabled version of TWiki's wysiwyg editor (I will post a screenshot later) However, as TWiki has rather a large amount of very complex macro like syntax, and allows badly formed HTML, more mini-edit / non- editable sections work is needed. Cheers Sven